This is a public chat log generated from the #semanticcamp IRC channel.
23:09:02
damn, it is so cold outside, I think my frozen pizza got more frozen on my way home
23:15:59
so tommorris_ , what time is early?
23:16:35
maybe picking up at 8.45
23:22:23
8:45, ok
23:22:46
can you mail me your phone nr or something
23:22:48
?
23:22:55
might I not find where you are hanging out
00:38:06
tommorris_ stupid question, there is no overnight, right?
06:01:55
cbetta: no
06:03:53
right, on my way now. see you guys soon !
06:09:49
seeya
07:24:13
morning
07:25:08
morning jerrell
07:28:26
gotta go
07:31:42
me too, soon enough
07:34:42
morning
07:38:15
jerrell better go catch his train.
07:38:16
bbiab
07:41:15
Just decided: I am REALLY not a morning person
09:39:37
zomg
10:12:29
tom talks alot, right?
10:12:31
hello !
10:13:20
tag counting application!
10:13:56
bengee doesn't have /topic privs, but channel logs are at http://semsol.org/semcamp/irc
10:13:59
eh should have used the real imperial url
10:14:02
ic.ac.uk
10:14:05
way cooler url
10:14:34
if anyone remembers how to use paper and pens in this modern age
10:14:58
thats why the slides are all text based
10:17:27
all note: there are OpenLink T-Shirts outside next to the badges and food/drink, these are in various sizes. They are free for you to take :-)
10:20:30
i can haz speech?
10:20:34
win
10:23:09
somebody needs to be brave and take first slot :P
10:26:50
welcome hugh
10:26:55
Hi daniel
10:33:34
woo
10:33:51
couldn't get my 770 to connect but laptop seems fine :)
10:34:47
cool jerrell, prod the networking guy if you want to try out 770
10:35:07
funky, might do that later. Cheers
10:35:19
as an additional event later this month (which I believe cbetta is setting up): http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/432853/
10:35:39
orly
10:36:15
bugger forgot to pimp overtheair and gd
10:36:58
hello :)
10:37:01
tommorris: we can pimp overtheair as a just before lunch time announcement
10:37:08
hi yvesr
10:40:52
room A: I missed his name
10:41:24
anybody know?
10:41:25
jerrell too, sorry
10:44:05
is that the accessability talk?
10:44:40
s/ssa/ssi/
10:45:01
yes bengee
10:45:34
board says peepo, which should be Jonathan Chetwynd then
10:45:46
cool thanks
10:45:54
np
10:50:21
all: anything uploaded to the wiki should be linked from http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Events/SemanticCamp_London
10:53:06
note to all: dont donate your money to the coffee machine in the hall, as it will literally become a donation
10:54:00
heh
10:54:05
is there an alternative source of coffee ?
10:54:22
apparently there is a starbucks nearby
10:56:19
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=starbucks+kensington&ie=UTF8&ll=51.504682,-0.165997&spn=0.049579,0.147972&z=13
10:56:23
theres 1 or 2
10:57:09
1 or 2 indeed ;)
10:57:17
jerrell wonders if he's sitting next to reyhan
10:57:38
yarly
10:57:39
:D
10:58:12
creepy future world
10:58:53
one good question, would we be able to reach the Imperial College WiFI from Starbucks :P
10:59:02
next up in A is moi
11:01:06
yvesr, are you going to be talking about anything related to prolog?
11:05:30
danieljohnlewis: hmm
11:05:37
the thing i ll show are all based on prolog:)
11:05:46
but i won't be showing any code, i am affraid
11:05:52
awesome! and awww
11:06:16
but i can show you :)
11:06:23
cool
11:07:34
tommorris: get to the fact that iTunes needs owl:sameAs :P
11:08:37
lol
11:12:17
jerrell: check the slides now
11:13:37
tom morris knows about Christian Existentialists
11:15:24
geekspeeek translation: grokking = understanding
11:15:58
I think tommorris is going to like our session :)
11:16:01
well, we do have that :)
11:16:05
or at least feel strongly about it
11:17:36
:D
11:17:52
;D
11:19:17
danieljohnlewis wonders how related Toms talk is with APML
11:21:43
anyone have the schedule URI to hand pls ?
11:21:56
can't seem to find it on the two main webpages
11:24:09
I don't think there is one yet, is there ?
11:25:17
one sec jerrell, editing stuff on the getsemantic wiki
11:25:22
cool
11:26:04
I am making it on: * Tom Morris
11:26:05
* Colin Schlüter
11:26:06
* Frances Berriman
11:26:07
* Glenn Jones
11:26:08
* Yves Raimond
11:26:09
* Daniel John Lewis
11:26:10
* Rob McKinnon
11:26:12
* Sheila Ellen
11:26:13
* Ashok Argent-Katwala
11:26:14
* Paul Massey
11:26:15
* Ben Marvell
11:26:17
* Peter Jones
11:26:18
I'm guessing that paste went wrong
11:26:19
* Henry J. Story
11:26:21
* Graeme Sutherland
11:26:22
heh
11:26:23
* Jon Linklater-Johnson
11:26:25
* Dirk Ginader
11:26:27
* Marco
11:26:29
* David McBride
11:26:31
* Nicholas Humfrey
11:26:33
* Fawaz Ghali
11:26:35
* Gareth Rushgrove
11:26:36
kick please
11:26:37
* Josie Fraser
11:26:39
* Jeremy Keith
11:26:41
* François Dongier
11:26:43
* Inigo Surguy
11:26:45
* Chris Sutton
11:26:47
lol - floooood!
11:26:58
http://danbri.org/words/2007/09/14/199
11:27:09
Symbol languages and the Semantic Web
11:27:24
referring to using wordnet and RDF
11:28:00
peepo: that rings a bell, istr it seemed cool
11:28:08
I've been awake for far too long for me
11:28:16
danieljohnlewis: :)
11:28:23
see, you need coffee too ;)
11:28:30
or bacon
11:28:34
or both
11:28:39
mmm, now hungry
11:29:31
agrd
11:31:00
who is streaming this on live.yahoo.com?
11:31:31
tommorris: was good and interesting :)
11:32:19
tommorris: well done :-)
11:33:51
I missed the name of the French guy presenting in room A - anyone ?
11:34:03
madness, its Henry Story
11:34:07
thanks
11:34:16
although he doesn't sound french :P
11:34:19
is there anyone presenting in other rooms ?
11:34:23
I've started putting the schedule on the getsemantic: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Saturday_Schedule
11:34:44
danieljohnlewis: awesome :)
11:35:29
good work
11:37:31
http://bblfish.net/
11:37:35
CV
11:37:46
for Henry ~:"
11:38:39
i didn't know he was french!
11:38:49
(and he doesn't sound like it, really :-) )
11:38:54
for extra info based on what Henry just said: it was Robert Scoble who was recently kicked off for scraping info from Facebook (including email addresses I believe)
11:39:08
<3 SCOBLR
11:40:33
<3 portability of all kinds.
11:41:20
i was part of this discussion (which Henry is talking about)
11:42:21
trying to get the rest of the dataportability group to realise that URIs are the best way to do things, linking to objects ensures that data is fresh
11:43:31
The key problem to me doesn't seem like a technical issue around URIs - it's that the business model of companies like Facebook is directly opposed to having open data
11:43:38
any Symfony users here?
11:44:12
Whereas non-ad-supported sites like LiveJournal are happier to have their data reused
11:44:45
inigosurguy, this is very true and what the DataPortability.org initiative is about
11:45:08
talking about dataportability
11:45:26
I am organizing a Geek Dinner on the 27th with a few DP people giving a talk
11:48:00
cbetta: where ?
11:48:12
1 sec
11:48:14
cbetta: and yes, Symfony user - what do you need ;)
11:49:01
Geek Dinner : http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/432853
11:49:02
Daniel, how does DP.org aim to persuade closed social networks that value of openness > cost
11:49:05
please come all
11:49:07
:D
11:49:16
madness, can't get the pear install to work
11:49:37
cbetta: are you using the darwinports PHP install, or ?
11:50:08
mamp
11:50:40
cbetta: when is Lunch ? I can help you then ?
11:50:54
inigosurguy: its all not really that far developed yet, everybody still seems to be arguing about the standards... although there are a few names on the list from google, facebook and microsoft (for example)
11:51:49
lunch is at....
11:52:07
is there a DP talk going on NOW?
11:52:16
lunch is at 13:00
11:53:03
danieljohnlewis: don't have a login handy, could you add 12:00, Room A, "C4DM : Semantic Web for Music" to the schedule please ?
11:53:24
cbetta - Henry Story is talking about address books, FOAF, social networks, and so on
11:53:30
cbetta there are a few DP skype chats going on, plus there are the various different google groups. The discussion that Henry mentioned earlier was one on the discussion forum here: http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/browse_thread/thread/8075d4f98d94b2c7
11:54:09
jerrell: ok doing that now :)
11:54:14
thanks
11:56:06
danieljohnlewis I know about the skype chats. Hanged around in them for a while. Just noting to people there will be an event
11:56:27
cbetta: oh right
11:58:10
OAuth = http://oauth.net/
12:02:19
I hope to listen to podcasts of the sessions
12:03:10
I hope someone is recording then. We will certainly have write ups, photos and maybe a movie or two
12:03:17
http://www.peepo.co.uk/rdf/foaf.rdf
12:03:18
Slides will be released too
12:03:46
different audiences require different homepages ~:"
12:04:11
cool thanks... having a bit of sun in Israel :-)
12:04:51
what's happening in the other rooms next ?
12:06:36
madness: I'll collect the information from the board during lunch... unless somebody is out there already, then they are very welcomed to edit the wiki
12:08:30
did somebody say lunch was at 1p?
12:09:49
there's only a presentation up on the board for Room A
12:14:58
Does anyone know the current speaker's name, please? I missed it
12:15:17
inigosurguy, its Yves Raimond
12:15:25
Thanks
12:23:20
any twitter feeds?
12:24:35
gywst: track semanticcamplondon , I would have thought ?
12:24:51
though I'm not getting much back from that
12:25:06
http://jaiku.com/channel/SemanticCamp , too
12:25:50
interesting, twitter is something that we hadn't thought about in respect comments for talks
12:29:06
cant somebody just create an account and whack a mention on the wiki
12:29:14
assuming it already hasnt been done :)
12:30:07
good day
12:33:03
I am TIRED
12:33:06
need more sleeeeeep
12:33:24
gywst: if you didn't spot it linked from the jaiku page, its being streamed!
12:33:25
http://live.yahoo.com/premasagar
12:33:33
hi every1
12:33:48
yes, my orange was in the way of the video stream for a while until we realised what was going on :-p
12:34:15
OlegL, its good to see you here
12:34:34
likewise Daniel, well done with the great support
12:35:41
http://live.yahoo.com/premasagar voice distorted :-(
12:38:21
who want to come and get some starbucks during lunch?
12:38:23
or will there be coffee here?
12:38:56
i might be tempted ..
12:39:44
cbetta: Well, I guess there are some closer coffee places on but I guess they're closed. :(
12:40:22
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=coffee+shops&near=South+Kensington,+Greater+London,+United+Kingdom&fb=1&view=text&cd=1&hl=en&oi=georefine&ct=clnk&f=l&geocode=0,51.494426,-0.177122
12:42:41
OlegL: Thanks. I definitely suggest the Gloucester Road are quite good in general
12:43:26
No problem, I don't know the hood very well - meet up after this session and go together?
12:43:39
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=l&view=text&hl=en&q=coffee+shops&near=gloucester+road%2C+london+sw7&btnG=Search+Businesses
12:43:45
I'm not in. :P
12:43:51
(not yet anyway)
12:44:00
but I'm an IC student, I know the hood rather well.
12:45:01
less coffee moar fud
12:45:02
:)
12:45:26
reyhan: Especailly with the connection. :P
12:48:33
is this lunch?
13:00:07
are most people here in the big room? maybe we should branch off into channels if any1 wants to discuss the current talk
13:02:17
jerrell is happy hearing chat about all the talks so he knows what he's missing :)
13:02:25
(are there other talks going on ?)
13:02:47
just conversations i think
13:03:00
but others are scheduled in the other rooms
13:03:14
for after luunch ?
13:03:21
(lagging -> typos, sorry)
13:03:39
probably
13:06:06
i'll check in a bit and let you know
13:06:18
cbetta: you still here ?
13:06:27
yeah
13:06:45
cbetta: where you going for lunch ? I'll try and help you out with the symfony stuff
13:06:56
am in B
13:07:01
there is lunch in the hall
13:07:06
but want to get some coffee
13:08:11
lets meet in B in a sec and introduce ourselves : )
13:08:18
ok
13:08:24
im the guy with the macbook
13:08:27
LOL
13:08:34
:D
13:08:42
madness, your Ng , right?
13:08:48
cbetta: yes, that's right
13:08:51
ok
13:08:52
check
13:09:11
is that really your last name or a acronym?
13:09:35
cbetta: really my last name. I'm half chinese half english
13:09:44
yeah I guessed so
13:09:51
but as you pronounced it N-G
13:10:06
cbetta: though it's actually pronounced something like nnggh, but I pronounce it N G for simplicity
13:10:11
yeah I know
13:10:17
thats why I was confused for a sec
13:12:11
just uploaded the online schedule for today: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Saturday_Schedule
13:12:52
ah excellent, well there you go @jerrell
13:13:01
so there is quite a bit of overlap
13:28:17
Lunch today is powered by OpenLink... therefore OpenLink Data Spaces (ODS) is provided you with various feeds :P
13:54:29
gywst cooked chilli
14:14:18
what happened to the Yahoo! Live video feed http://live.yahoo.com/premasagar
14:14:41
I think I can see the guy who was providing it
14:14:48
he's in room B, trying to get set up
14:15:03
(but room is quite crowded)
14:15:15
hmm... lunch was good :-) i like food
14:17:31
leeky is full.
14:18:23
adw, the notice board says you'll be speaking in room A, but the wiki says in room B
14:18:36
Which one is right?
14:19:08
sorry inigo, my incorrection
14:20:15
it should be room A I think
14:20:29
thanks daniel
14:20:32
openid does seem to work on getsemantic
14:21:27
yvesr - yes, Tom said that the openid login is currently broken on there.
14:21:45
leeky: well, it worked for me:)
14:23:16
sorry... somehow read "openid doesn't seem' instead of 'does'!!
14:23:34
leeky has brain FAIL.
14:23:50
backtrack, backtrack!
14:32:48
slides + code for this morning semweb+music session : http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/User_talk:YvesRaimond
14:34:18
thank you yvesr
14:34:36
plus I noticed that you have linked it from the schedule :)
14:35:38
yes:)
14:36:09
the content-based sparql end point is not on, because it is a bit... flacky atm :)
14:54:18
that's a really perceptive comment about scientists
14:54:39
makes me feel guilty for pushing semweb tech on colleagues !
14:55:10
:)
14:56:28
heh:)
14:57:14
jerrell: Missed the comment, what was it?
14:57:38
but then again I am sure scientists don't want to know about the internals of CML either
14:59:03
dwm_: he was talking about how scientists are specialised in one area
14:59:20
and if you start asking them to learn a whole new set of technologies to support their work (eg. RDF, SPARQL)
14:59:31
they just won't bother, as it's an inefficient use of their time
14:59:44
they'll just go back to the one subject they're primarily scientists in
14:59:52
openid was broken when a friend tried to sign on yesterday - good to see it's working
15:00:08
tommorris: it is, and finally forced me to get an openid ;)
15:00:21
only a year or two after intending to -_-
15:00:24
myopenid is good for the SSL certificate sign-on
15:07:02
yeah, works for me
15:07:59
adw: that was very cool
15:08:04
will have to ask you about Django later
15:08:15
adw: yep well done
15:10:27
thank you!
15:11:04
danieljohnlewis: but then again I am sure scientists don't want to
15:11:06
know about the internals of CML either
15:11:09
adw, yes, very interesting
15:11:12
yes, hence me :)
15:11:29
i got *so* frustrated during my phd with having to write bad shell script after bad shell script...
15:11:54
where can I find more about hAvatar
15:14:39
havatar
15:14:42
you can find more on:
15:14:45
fourstarters.com
15:17:03
satanic pentagram
15:17:37
awesome
15:18:09
ah this stuff that the BBC are doing is quite good, I like it
15:18:28
+1
15:25:33
hmm, could use the BBC Programmes/Music data for the billion triples challenge
15:25:45
http://www.slideshare.net/covert/semanticcamplondon-12th-february-2008/
15:26:02
(um, spot the deliberate mistake, but never mind)
15:28:36
what is the next session in room B?
15:31:11
yvesr: dbpedia in A, microformats in D
15:31:14
nothing in B afaik
15:31:17
ok
15:31:30
Asus EEEPC presentation
15:31:31
WANT
15:32:37
hmmm... actually it is the network that failed, not d2r
15:33:29
if you want to try was i was about to show - tabulate this: http://dbtune.org/bbc/programmes-dbpedia.rdf
15:33:43
and then, tabulate this: http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2840/resource/brand/930
15:34:27
Hugh and I are using RDF Browser for humanising it, e.g. Faulty Towers: http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbbc-hackday.dyndns.org%3A2840%2Fresource%2Fbrand%2F930
15:34:38
cool;)
15:34:46
* Faulty = Fawlty
15:34:53
does the openlink browser do node smushing?
15:35:10
sorry about that anyway :(
15:35:25
most probably does smushing, have an explore ;)
15:36:39
cool stuff, especially the draggable bubbly SVG graph
15:37:37
works well for the dbpedia stuff
15:38:08
you should give a quick demo of this
15:38:16
e.g. Bristol: http://demo.openlinksw.com/DAV/JS/rdfbrowser/index.html?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdbpedia.org%2Fresource%2FBristol
15:39:03
Angleterre? why are all the languages mixed togethere?
15:39:08
(works ok with tabulator too - http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/release/tabulator/0.8/tab.html as it turns out)
15:42:33
OlegL: it doesn't usually do that, maybe its how the RDF is structured
15:43:08
i know, i was just complaining.. i can't get Tabulator to work in my browsers
15:43:29
yeah I have problems with Tabulator too
15:43:52
yeah... it is usually flacky
15:44:06
i kind of liked the live version, but it looks like it is broken atm
15:44:20
just checking Zitgist Dataviewer view of Bristol DBpedia entry
15:44:33
http://dataviewer.zitgist.com/?uri=http%3A//dbpedia.org/resource/Bristol
15:51:59
http://moustaki.org/resources/screenshot33.png
15:52:04
(what i wanted to show)
15:52:42
does anybody happen to know a half decent temperature monitor thingy/app for osx?
15:52:47
yves.. that's quite an Inbox you got there ;)
15:52:48
in case you want to query the bbc /programmes in cantonese:)
15:53:04
themattharris: could I ask what your talk's about ? Can't seem to find a homepage for you so having trouble guessing even a vague topic area :)
15:53:07
(except sticks)
15:53:08
OlegL: kind of:)
15:53:20
guess I won't try mailing you
15:53:30
anyone else twittering the barcamp btw?
15:54:21
jerrell: talk will be exploring what semantic means and methods/ways of helping those starting on the web to adopt it
15:55:03
themattharris: thanks :)
15:55:24
I feel microformats room is verging on political fighting...
15:55:41
oh...
15:55:48
only verging
15:55:58
@profile debate?
15:56:07
well it's getting technical
15:56:15
i can see lots of blank faces forming
15:56:24
oh
15:56:40
dbpedia presentation is great:)
15:57:00
I figured I knew less about microformats than dbpedia :)
15:57:05
*semantic* web vs. semantic *web* :)
15:57:06
yeah, it's really good
15:57:09
tommorris are any lightening talks planned? I think maybe some peple'd be up for that...
15:57:10
i like this slide :)
15:57:19
libby: that's a god plan - put it on the board!
15:57:24
s/god/good
15:57:26
heh
15:59:06
do I have to organise it?
15:59:16
libby lazy today :P
15:59:26
...not sure...
16:00:02
Georgi's uni group is developing Disco, yet another SW browser http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/ng4j/disco/ check it out
16:00:16
tommorris: could force the people who don't have their names down yet to do a 5 minute lightening talk tomorrow
16:00:32
that's not a bad idea
16:00:34
are these talks lightening, enlightening or lightning ?
16:00:46
jerrell is confused
16:01:08
jerrell, really quick presentations basically
16:01:15
ah, k
16:01:18
thanks
16:01:20
we call them microslots in Oxford
16:01:32
"we" the Oxforderati
16:01:46
( e.g. http://oxford.geeknights.net/2008/feb-6th/ )
16:02:09
Daniel, I wanted to ask you about the blogger adw mentioned have you got an URL?
16:02:23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecha_Kucha
16:03:10
re. interlinking algorithm that georgy mentioned - it is the same which is implemented in the GNAT software we showed this morning
16:03:14
my talk tomorrow is going to be one of those
16:03:20
(i fear ..)
16:03:39
how about we put a special lightning row onto the schedule
16:03:47
OlegL, a blogger.... I must have missed that
16:04:05
oh i got it, here: and as soon as enough people gath
16:04:09
er..
16:04:17
http://totallysynthetic.com/blog/
16:04:39
yeah, that's the guy
16:04:48
thanks
16:04:54
ah cool
16:05:34
http://totallysynthetic.com/blog/?page_id=2
16:17:22
so lightening talks sign up for tomorrow, 4 mins max each, no slides needed!
16:17:34
libby prods inigosurguy ;-)
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Lightening Talks at 11:30am tomorrow
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if anyone is planning on coming to room D we're starting in 10 minutes to give time for a break - as microformats overran
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and 30 minutes in total, so as libby said 4 minutes maximum... really informal, really quick talks
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should be cool
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libby wishes I had something to talk about :(
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well I guess there's one thing
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but I can do it in a line here
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shoot
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all of joost pages have rdfa in them
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that's it :)
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:)
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:-)
16:20:58
libby checks to make sure it still works
16:21:20
libby: getting an odd error from the US right now on http://www.joost.com
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HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
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You don't have permission to access /_override_/index-US.html on this server.
16:22:00
ahem, we are having some web issues
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http://joost.com/search?q=amy&x=9&y=10 work for you?
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the joost links are on a different system
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libby: yes that works well :)
16:22:54
so the rdfa is in searches and single pages for videos and channels
16:23:04
operator tells me there are 2 resources as well :)
16:23:06
we've not done anything with it yet tho
16:26:54
are you using an atom vocabulary?
16:28:25
an old version of ivan herman's pyRDFa is generating some rdfa like this: http://inkdroid.org/tmp/joost.rdf
16:30:04
joost is snappier than ever
16:30:20
bengee eventually gets sparqlbot to work as expected
16:30:46
libby, I'm not going to be around tomorrow, so no lightning for me, I'm afraid
16:31:52
if I was, then I was interested in talking about software frameworks for doing things with RDF (beyond the obvious ones like Jena etc.)
16:32:13
bengee++
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thanks edsu
16:32:34
Henry Story's RDF-to-Java data mapping at https://sommer.dev.java.net/, the interesting Python stuff earlier, and so on
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inigosurguy: do a four minute blurb for us over IRC then
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(it's a sort of fake atom-in-rdf - I used the n3ookmarklet to test it)
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and I've been playing with programming Jena via Scala, rather than via Java
16:33:27
+1 on lightning talks in irc, for this lurker :)
16:34:10
libby just heard of scala
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scala-lang?
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Yes
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It's a functional language for the JVM
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It compiles to Java bytecode, and interoperates with Java code
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It's strongly typed, with type inferencing
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And is much more compact and expressive than Java, but much better performance than things like JRuby
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looks like yet another syntax, why not keep it more java like
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(rdfa n3 bookmarklet -http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/rdfa-bookmarklet/ )
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Controversial statement - syntax is important
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looks a bit like a mix between ruby, javascript and pascal to me
16:37:44
libby: that's handy, thanks
16:38:21
libby: but the real link is http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/impl/js/
16:39:02
the higlighter finds lots o' resources
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highlighter
16:40:16
how's iand doing?
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good :)
16:40:34
's interesting
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Yes, it's interesting
16:41:13
it is interesting.... but licensing isn't my strong area, and neither is law
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Important, though. There's a whole big question about researchers providing scientific data, and how they get credit for doing that
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it's hugely important
16:43:48
the stuff i was talking about earlier - the processing of supplemental data?
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it depends on facts not being copyrightable
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(often you can, as a result, get the supplemental data even if the paper itself is copyrighted and behind a paywall)
16:44:29
i agree, in a corp or gov environment there are iron barriers around every bit of content and if you're trying to get something out for public consumption, having a framework like this is absolutely key
16:45:08
plus it goes both ways, if you want to bring in external data you often have to be able to point to some kind of license, and you usually can expect a nasty surprise in there
16:45:10
Yes, that kind of thing. You want to encourage academics to provide their supplemental data, and there are some scientists whose main purpose is to provide raw data for other people to work on - but when the whole academic reward system is based around publishing papers and citations to papers, how do you reward that?
16:45:37
inigosurguy: there are some great (horrifying) stories about what staff crystallographers have got up to
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like, giving copies of the data a) solely on paper b) in red ink
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(red doesn't photocopy...)
16:46:14
adw, :(
16:46:20
well, people linking results to your data is a reward?
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(to ensure they get credit)
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it *is* a kind of citation
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yvesr: if they cite (or even better, coauthor) you
16:47:06
yvesr - it needs to be a form of citation that your department, and your funding body, recognises
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but if you just stick data up on the web, it's not conventionally published and it doesn't appear in the Thomon-ISI citation index
16:47:17
inigosurguy: true
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in other words what inigo said :)
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(and adw)
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:)
16:47:39
this needs to evolve also...
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on the other hand academics are moving towards using metrics more because they're perceived to be fairer
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at least compared to the old-boys network thing
16:48:18
Yes - which is why things like data licensing like this are really important
16:49:48
by the way, totally tangential but something i forgot to mention earlier
16:50:01
all the web apps i was showing do content negotiation
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ie if you ask them for application/rdf+xml or text/rdf+n3, you get that, not html
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which is kinda cool :)
16:50:33
adw, :)
16:50:35
hey masaka!
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hey libby, all
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wish you could be here too
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yeah
16:51:05
adw, are the webapps publically available? URL?
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is this logged or anything?
16:51:11
yep
16:51:17
inigosurguy: not yet realy
16:51:19
libby, there's a camp-logger member of this channel
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really, even
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cool ta
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http://semsol.org/semcamp/irc
16:51:39
libby, I assume that's a logger, but I'm not sure where its output goes
16:51:46
a shameless plug for regular semantic web events: http://swig.networkedplanet.com/
16:51:59
adw, ah, thanks
16:52:00
i did put links towards slides/apps from this morning music talk at http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/User_talk:YvesRaimond
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http://semsol.org/semcamp/irc/logs/2008/02/16
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thanks
16:52:10
adw: got twitter?
16:52:44
NeylonE, when's the next meeting?
16:53:03
cheers NeylonE, didn't know it was going to be another formal one
16:53:05
OlegL: twitter.com/covert
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6th March - you are presenting!
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whereabouts is the Oxford Uni Computer Centre
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Oh yes...
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heh
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its on parks road - I'll put a link on the website
16:53:46
adw: do you know alistair miles?
16:54:03
edsu: name doesn't ring a bell i'm afraid (but i might just be being forgetful)
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yep alistair is now working with Graham Kylne at the OUCS
16:54:30
adw is at the Other Place
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(cam.ac.uk)
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I think its a sabbatical
16:54:39
NeylonE, ^Kylne^Klyne^
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typo :)
16:54:50
adw: oh, yeah i forget you were at cam :)
16:54:51
Yes, he's in David Shotton's group now
16:55:31
NeylonE: oh cool, i had heard he moved over to do something at oxford
16:57:07
NeylonE: bio-informatics stuff?
16:57:20
edsu, yes
16:57:37
inigo knows more than i do - fruit fly testes I think ...
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Well, bio-informatics RDF stuff
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Zoology department
16:58:06
right, dug your podcast interview inigo :)
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:)
16:58:19
sounds like a natural fit for alistair
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;) - That sounds potentially slanderous
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"natural"
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edsu is not taking the piss, was just curious :)
17:04:35
ok peeps i gotta date to go to, hope to see all of your fresh faces & nicks right here tomorrow
17:04:43
OlegL heads out the door
17:06:13
laglaglag
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damn, wrong channel
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lag is confusing
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sorry
17:08:14
who is the speaker in room A?
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yvesr: Eamonn Neylon
17:08:48
thx danieljohnlewis
17:11:39
danieljohnlewis is a knowledge base... shame I don't have a SPARQL endpoint
17:24:50
is there a pub we're goig to?
17:25:02
beerbeerbeer
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there's a good pubs section on the iste I saw
17:26:03
Tom asked me to have a look the other day, there is apparently one called Hoop and Toy: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/37/3741/Hoop_and_Toy/South_Kensington nearby
17:26:44
unfortunately I won't be going, been up since 6 this morning plus I had my heart medication increased yesterday, so feeling so tired right now
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oof :( thanks tho....
17:27:34
danieljohnlewis: :(
17:27:35
"General information: Conveniently located for South Kensington tube. A remarkable act of foresight as the pub was built in 1760."
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anyways, theres also this one: http://www.pubs.com/pub_details.cfm?ID=146 Anglesea Arms pub
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"Expensive and lacking in atmosphere, but there isn't much so close to the museums. I work locally and amongst many museum staff it's known as the "Hoop and Toilet" due the endless plumbing problems they seem to have with the gents' loo upstairs."
17:28:24
heh
17:28:44
the second one looks fancier:)
17:28:45
got some nice beers tho
17:30:58
ah this is what i found: http://ashok.videdot.com/thelist/
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select ?pubname { ?pub dc:name ?pubname ; loc:near 'Imperial College' ; pub:ale 'Real' ; pub:atmosphere 'Good' }
17:31:29
oooh useful
17:32:05
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/80/803/Hereford_Arms/Gloucester_Road maybe?
17:32:17
libby is starving too
17:33:08
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/80/800/Drayton_Arms/Earls_Court ...?
17:33:11
http://ashok.videdot.com/thelist/queens-arms/ looks good, and close?
17:33:12
this conversation should be in the pub
17:33:16
this is a very pub conversation
17:33:38
ooh sounds nice
17:33:48
who knows the way?
17:34:11
jerrell is very sad that he can't come to the pub
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but have fun :)
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:D
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right, ciao for now everyone
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see you tomorrow
17:35:51
qa then?
21:30:44
madness back home after day 1 !
21:33:59
\TITLE Sunday Schedule: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Sunday_Schedule * Other Wiki Pages Link from: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Events/SemanticCamp_London
21:34:55
ah, its topic not title
21:35:19
cool madness, did you enjoy today?
21:35:36
danieljohnlewis: yeah, it was good :)
21:35:55
danieljohnlewis: looking forward to tomorrow.
21:36:00
good good... we've got the lightening talks tomorrow, which should be quite fun
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*nods*
21:39:47
are you down to do a presentation tomorrow?
21:40:19
not yet, but I'll put myself down in the morning
21:40:25
coolio
21:40:49
I'm coding up something tonight - if I get it done, then I'll present that, if I don't I'll find something to do a lightning talk about or something like that
21:41:28
sure, entirely up to you :)
22:04:47
in a fit of pedantry, I changed the mis-spell of lightning in the sunday schedule :P
22:15:47
okiedokie
22:37:49
NeylonE, managed to get back ok then
22:38:10
shame you can't be there tomorrow, but we'll do our best to upload photos, slides and notes
22:55:44
tommorris, how did you find today then?
22:55:51
fantastic
22:55:56
think it went really well
22:56:06
yep, i think so too
22:56:31
sorry I couldn't go to the pub... so shattered from a long day plus extra medication
22:56:32
and i've been asked if we could have some more basic tutorials about the semweb tommorow
22:56:51
that's okay - we had one or two drinks, perved over danbri's macbook air then went and had thai curry
22:57:41
ok cool, well my presentation is about the things that provide the basis of the Semantic Web: Semantic Networks, Frames and Object Orientation
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so thats a kind of semi-tutorial anyways